Nachricht Nummer : 558 Übertragungszeit : 3 min 27 sec Nachricht von : WAM@ZAMIR-ZG.ztn.zer.de (Wam) Antworten an : wam@zamir-zg.ztn.zer.de Betrifft : Zagreb Diary 28 November 1994 Kopienempfänger : /REG/NEWS/DIARY/WAM, /SOC/CULTURE/YUGOSLAVIA, /SOC/CULTURE/CROATIA, /SOC/CULTURE/BOSNA-HERZGVNA, /CL/EUROPA/BALKAN, /APC/YUGO/ANTIWAR Erstellungsdatum : 29.11.1994 17:27:00 W+1 Zagreb Diary, 28 November, 1994 Dobar Dan, "That means total war" my friends with a total straight face, he is serious. He know what war is, he fought on the front-line here in Croatia. Bt we are talking about another war than the one which is going on just a few hundred kilometres from us. We are talking about a war direct in the street of Zagreb. A football war. The fights before, during and after the match Croatia (Dynamo Zagreb, how do I dare to call it Croatia) and Hajduk Split were heavier than I thought at first. Sunday afternoon somebody phoned me and told that BBB (Bad Bleu Boys) would start an action against the renaming of Dynamo into Croatia. The said that they would organise in the stadium and the town small riots every where. Also those joining the match would boycott it by not singing and shouting (beside 15 planned minutes). The match Hajduk-Dynamo is Zagreb is the one of the most important matches of the session. The both are the strongest teams in Croatia and have very strong support groups BBB for Dynamo and Torcida for Hajduk. Since the biggest Dalmatian town of Croatia is called Zagreb and not Split (more Dalmatians (if you take Dalmatia a little big, so from Rijeka to Dubrovnik (in principle both Rijeka and Dubrovnik are not really Dalmatia)) live in Zagreb than in any town in Dalmatia), also Torcida Zagreb outnumbers Torcida Split, at least when Hajduk plays in the surroundings of Zagreb. Besides from the fact that there are a lot of Dalmatian people in Zagreb which are going to any match, manifestation or what ever which takes place in Zagreb and has involvement of people from Dalmatia. In this match f.e. very respected members of parliament or high up in political parties where sitting on the Torcida tribune in between thousands of youngsters in leather, army or bomber jackets, singing shouting, playing with fireworks and all the rest. Since a year or more the matches between Hajduk and Dynamo are starting to become more aggressive again. At least if you look it from a standpoint of my friend, in which each matches is both a match between the teams as well as between the supporters. That match between supporters don't necessarily have to be open fighting, but can also be by songs and out shouting each other. Like the match last year in Zagreb, when the whole of Dalmatia was without electricity. Torcida's shouted "Zagreb, Nema Dynamo" (Zagreb has no Dynamo, a painful point for the BBB) and got back "Dalmatia, Nema stroja" (Dalmatia, no electricity, a painful point for all Dalmatians, even those in Zagreb (they all have relatives down there)). During this match 5 minutes after the Torcida's had shouted "Dynamo, Dynamo" to show their solidarity with the BBB who are fighting to have their old name back, than suddenly on the east tribune fights started. The BBB and Torcida's were nicely spilt from each other in North and South tribune. In between on the east and west tribunes are places for the "higher" or special people, like f.e. the homeland war invalids. Tudjman has his place her when he is not touring abroad, even some politicians in the Sabor have noticed that Tudjman has at least inherited the travelling passion from Tito. On the place where the war invalids wing of Torcida the fights really started, some BBB throw an invalid from the tribune and kicked him up with 20 people. At least that is what friends told me and for one or another reason the only football fans I know are Torcida's. I am sorry for those who are completely not involved, but next summer I can tell you cars with ZG numberplates will have a rough time in Dalmatia. That the love between Dalmatia and Zagreb is not so strong anymore was also shown a few days before during a waterpolo match between Jug from Dubrovnik and Mladina from Zagreb (also an important game in Croatia, like basketball and tennis), and Dubrovnik is for all simplicity in this case also Dalmatia. During that match the supporters from Jug shouted "Zagreb BEOGRAD, Zagreb BEOGRAD". The first signs ZG=BG (Zagreb is Beograd) already appeared on the wall in Split in the spring of 92. My friend came home with blood on his jacket, not his, but from a friend which was beaten up when he walked with a Torcida flag through the town. And most Torcida I know in Zagreb are wearing some fanclub colours somewhere. So after this fights they become a little afraid of showing of their obvious football favourites alone on the streets. How about a neutral talk, a kind of cease fire, brokered by F-Side from Ajax together with representative from other European footballs teams, was my question. Obvious the wrong an stupid one. No no football UNPROFOR, one in the country n more than enough. Something should really happen to them, they should kill a few of those Dutch UN soldiers, than world would start to listen. I am Dutch, Nema problema than the take some other country, the Argentineans f.e. Tudjman is now there he could use it well. Although than the European wouldn't listen, so sorry, Wam, it have to be your country men. Don't try to stop it the fights between Torcida and BBB have a long history also before the war, only when we were both on the front-line it cooled down a bit. Now they are accusing us again that we from Hajduk are not really Croats and that we always stood more on the side of the socialist before the war. The next match will be in some months and a lot can happen in that time...... Mir za somewhere in or around Hrvatska, Wam --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zagreb Diary can be found on a lot of different electronic networks, it is copyright free and can be ported to any network or other means of communication you like, but please drop my a line, you can reach by sending a message to WAM@ZAMIR- ZG.ztn.zer.de. Zagreb Diary is dedicated to Tyche, Pjort and Rik, so that they found out what there father have been doing all that time in Zagreb. ## CrossPoint v3.02 ##